RSS
Fire chief flip flop
Everyone says Coatesville Fire Chief Kevin Johnson will be stepping down at the end of the month, except for the fire chief.Asked about his resignation letter after Monday's meeting, which had been received by several city officials, Johnson said, what resignation letter. That's a paraphrase, read exactly what he said here.
Labels: fire department
posted by Daily Local at
10:58 AM
61 Comments:
i wish someone would explain why a discruntled ex-fire chief, with a violent history is still driving a city owned vehicle and still spends time at city hall? he resigned, why is he any different? anyone else would be told
good-ritens
He also is using the city owned vehicle to travel to and from work.
Simpson asked about it at a meeting recently and Walker's response was "we'll look into it". How much longer can this continue. Rumor has it that Assistant Chief Palakenis (sorry for the spelling)used the ladder truck to trim his own trees. Anybody know anything about it?
you mean the guy that does nothing but cry about the professional firefighters?
trimmed his trees? Com'on
with a city owned vehicle?
Wow! so Johnson has been driving a city owned vehicle to Philly everyday to his job, I bet he has a city sponsored credit card for gas to put into it also. And the assistant probably did use the fire truck to trim his trees, probably called it a "training session" for some of the guys. just some of the perks that go with having a job in the city admin.
So it been a year or so since City Council put into place an arrogant, condescending, union busting firefighter name k. johnson to serve as the City fire chief. Lets look back at this past year issues pertaining/reported about this individual.
1)At Monday night's council meeting, Fire Chief Kevin Johnson said there continues to be electrical issues at the West End firehouse. The July 2006 fire reportedly was caused by wiring to an exhaust fan. Reported in July of 2007. ChesterCountyreporter.
A year? Is that not a chiefs job to work with volunteers. ARE you not a member of the west end and were you not an officer with that department surely you could have done something?
2)Robert Tracey, fire chief for the West End Fire Co., said the West End company is operational.
WAIT a minute-who is the Chief? The vollies don't/ didn't consider you the chief a year ago.
3) Performed duties outside the scope of a career/paid fire chief:
"Brent also ruled that Fire Chief Kevin Johnson performed work reserved exclusively for the bargaining unit and permitted volunteer firefighters to work in place of career firefighters who were available to work".
What is that other than union busting? Anybody at the mill willing to allow (without a fight), non-union coworkers taking their jobs?
What did that cost us taxpayers? THAT's right, tens of thousands of dollars for backpay and court costs. THANKS
As reported, "An independent arbitrator has ruled Coatesville acted improperly when in July it reduced the status of two, full-time firefighters to part-time and now must return the two to full-time status and return any lost wages".
I failed to see the statement from you stating you felt badly and you would do everything in your power as chief to get these individuals back to work. (That's called a statement of concern)
4) Now why do we have to return to court?
I see you letter to the CM states """It is with deep regret and a heavy heart that I submit the following to you. Effective 30 June 2008, I do hereby resign the position of fire chief. I have thought long and hard and this was not an easy decision to make. This time frame will allow me to wrap up the pending court cases that are coming during the month".
PENDING COURT CASES? Win or loose how much is that costing us?
5) Icing on the cake, """I have tried to move the fire department forward and at one time felt this was happening. I can (no) longer be part of an organization in which employees are continually allowed to ignore policies and procedures, ignore the chain of command and basic fire fighting principles. I can no longer accept the fact that employees are allowed to terrorize residents to forward their own agenda, nor can I accept the fact that employees can interfere with the hiring process of new employees".
WAIT, your the fire chief- DO YOUR JOB or have you found out its not that simple?
That is right, when your arrogant, treat others with disrespect and speak condescending to others, you cannot, nor will you gain the respect of the firefighters any where you work.
Please do what you have claimed you will do and resign. Your expertise and the fact we the tax payers are having to pay for your inability to act as a chief, plus we are paying you a small salary (and if its true, providing you a vehicle at $4.00 a gallon and 60+ miles one way to your full time career job for the department you work at in Phila) we can't afford that quality of service any more.
Thanks to Allen Davis for his willingness to leave his reports on his web site and allow us to look back at this person.
How can you call it replacing CBA guys with volunteers, when all the wonderful union brothers flat out refused to come to work? I believe it is called blue flu or in this case, red flu. I don't call that a replacement. I call it a group of responsible volunteers concerned about their community and stepping up to the plate to negate the unions games. Are you saying that volunteers can no longer drive the trucks as they have for 80 years?? If thats so, and I don't think it is, I'm sure the union brothers had something to do with that to. Now that's what I'm worried about as a taxpayer, not union issues. If you don't like your job here, go somewhere else...that is if you can cut the mustard(remember the fatality on 6th Ave )!!!!
The fire and death was a tragedy and my heart goes out to the family.
It however was a wasted opportunity by the chief to prove he is deserving to be the fire chief.
Please be kind enough to post the statement he made after the fire regarding the proactive steps he would establish to reduce this tragic event from occurring again on his watch as chief. I do not recall any published statement.
He could have promoted home sprinklers. The number one cause to reduce fire deaths and reduce fire damage. No statement was declared or else we missed that publication.
Establish a new policy requiring volunteers to staff the firehouse providing additional firefighter to be on scene when the truck arrives 24/7 and not with one driver as has been the way it has worked since paid drivers were put on years ago.
See Willow Grove FD they have done it for years. Missed that opportunity as well, or the news reporter missed a good story regarding proactive activity coming out of this tragedy.
For years the volunteers cry was to have the truck arrive with a paid driver and wait for the volunteers, -except this time? Sorry cannot have it both ways. Wait for volunteers for every call or don't wait.
The system is broke and will remain broke using the same methods that have been used for 30+ years. IT IS TIME FOR A CHANGE.
The city requires firefighters to pass a civil service test prior to hire. Require the officers to pass a test proving they are capable of serving as a leader.
The beer promotion or buddy system has a direct bearing on the trouble the city fd is in now.
Kevin stated the CFD could be a great department and I believe it can but Changes to the leadership must be made.
What has to change is the union leadership spending most of their 24 hour shifts trying to figure out how to keep the turmoil going in the CFD instead of doing their jobs. If there is no turmoil, then more volunteers will show up, thus reducing the need for additional union members on the already strained city payrolls. The union leadership will never stop stirring the pot because they don't want things to go smooth. It's quite obvious!! Many volunteers have already left the department because they don't have to put up with this somewhere else.
I can't wait to see how the union fights the new early intervevtion consultant.
I wonder,
same complaints/problems for over 20 years (based on CC meeting records), same players mentioned in those records as today, however, different career members in the last twenty years.
What if, "I can't wait to see how the union fights the new early intervention consultant.", states/ uncovers/ discovers it's the old player(s) stirring the pot and the career are responding in their own way by stirring it a more?
What excuse will the players claim then?
Just a thought.
The volunteers are leaving statement has been played out for years as well, and its just not in our city, its state/nation wide. In fact elected officials in Harrisburg are actively looking into tax breaks, special funding, etc. to get more volunteers to join all across PA and the US.
Lastly, why can't/ didn't the chief fix the problem? Could it be there is no substantial merit to the same old complaints and if its handled as the players wish it could be by getting rid of the career staff, it would in all probably cost the tax payer an arm and a leg ?
More thoughts. You can agree or not however the truth remains, issues have been present since paid individuals were housed in the station(s) and will remain a issue until cc steps out of their shell and faces the problem head on.
I believe that the city should hire a full time paid fire chief. I can not visualize a volunteer person supervising paid staff, anyway. I have nothing to hold against Mr. Johnson. Obviously, he holds training and qualifications as a full time firefighter but, due to the fact that he does work so far away means that he can not devote the attention to the job that Coatesville deserves. I envision a full time chief, who is qualified in all aspects of emergency services (including emergency medical services) who could also possibly work with the codes department during the daytime hours to help the city get their money’s worth out of this position. This would be a similar scenario as when Mr. Pilotti held the office, with a little EXTRA! This person needs to be a good administrator, especially when dealing with the city government and the union but more importantly, a person who needs to keep the volunteer members actively involved with the department. Efficient and safe operations at emergency scenes need to be handled with more than the two or three paid staff on duty. This is something that I hope the “career” staff realizes. The city does not have the means to staff (eg) two engines (with four person crews) and a ladder (with a five-person crew) twenty four/ seven. The volunteers are desparately needed to compliment this department. It was even this way when I volunteered in the city during the 70’s and early eighties. Back then, the paid and the volunteers operated together seamlessly. It shouldn’t be any different today. A paid-full time chief should be available (and mandated) to attend every extra alarm fire call, major rescue calls and major EMS incidents along with any other incident that he/ or she feels necessary to attend. The exception would be if the chief is out of town for job required training or on pre-authorized vacation time. The chief should not be in a position where he or she can not be able to attend a call because he or she is working their full-time job, sixty miles away. I will say this in “defense” of Mr. Johnson’s employment situation, due the fact that the city can “say” that that they have a dedicated fire chief and that the pay that he receives is very slim – I will go out on an unpopular limb and state that maybe it isn’t so bad the he has a “perk” of using the city vehicle to go back and forth to work in Phila. After all, he “may” be able to respond to a call from (say) the Exton area while he is returning from his Phila job – in the city vehicle (with due regard for public safety, of course). At any rate, a man in this busy and responsible position shouldn’t have to worry about this. His workplace should be City Hall and his domain should be within the city limits as much as possible. Coatesville is a busy department and needs the attention of a full-time fire chief, one who knows every street, every hydrant (and their pressures) – a person who should be a leader and a resource for ALL city firefighters and EMS personnel.
June 18, 2008 3:47 AM
You are quite possibly the dumbest person I have ever met! Let's see, the union wanting someone to take away their livelyhood, cut me a break you moron! There are some great volunteers and career members, both sides generally work well together. But let's face the facts, without pushing any buttons and pushing volunteers away, why would the union let someone take away from there job? Use your brain, when's the last time you saw a sign up sheet to volunteer for the streets department, in Coatesville? There are problems on both sides of the department, that's not news to anyone but to blame one side, as you have so boldly done, is both rediculous and assanine! Let's take a look at your precious volunteer leadership, first the president @ 41. This guy rant the Brandies and his own business into the ground, so you assclowns vote him in as the president. Good move sporto, this guy invented more ways to destroy a good thing then anyone I have ever met. You constantly hold side bar meetings with the EMS staff and the EMS volunteers, I've caught you in the act! You promise these people the world, we're going to do this, we're going to do that, you can't consistantly blow sunshine up peoples asses. Sooner or later you're going to fail, hopefully not before the members of Station 41 get smart and remove you from power. You ought to work for a paving company, you're good at making parking lots. Then the Deputy Chief, WOW! I have never seen anyone that is as clueless as him! Taking a ladder truck home to trim your trees, what's next? Need your windows cleaned, Deputy Chief Small Penis will be out with the ladder truck to take care of the job. You have no idea what you're doing on the fireground, let alone controlling a fire house! You wonder why people won't listen to you, they have to respect and trust you first, you idiot! I wish I would have been there to get pushed by you, man I would have had a field day with that.......The rest of the department officers and members seem to be a good group, never really had a problem with them, in or out of fire house. In fact, I'm friends with many of them. So to say that the career "union" firefighters want all of the volunteers out of the picture is both absurd and rediculous. The system has been and most likely always will be a combination system. The system will never progress forward until you get rid of the two asshats mentioned in this article, it's amazing that these jerkoffs can tie their own shoes without screwing it up, let alone to allow them to either direct a fire scene or company is beyond amazing!!!!
If what you say is true, then why was CFF Lentz running around Lower Providence telling his buddies in his volly fire co how nice it was going to be working in a fully paid fire depart after Janssen got rid of all of the vollies and it sure is great having an idiot chief (ex-chief Davis) that they could manipulate to get whatever they( union) wanted? It' amazing you can see or hear anything with your head buried so far up your ass or is your mouth full??
just fyi, they have short term parking for fucking retards at nicks news, feel free to stop in and share your wisdom!
Maybe your mouth is full there assclown, keep drinking the Kool-Aid! That's right, I forgot the Career Firefighters that work for the city are the big bad enemies! Is is that you have no control over what they do or is it just the fact that you're a fucking retard. I'll gladly stop by Nick's News and tell them exactly what I think! I know they have short term parking for "fucking retards" but I wouldn't want to take your parking spot there sunshine! Lentz worries about shit that he shouldn't, not news to anyone! Never said I completly agreed with the career staff but most of them are good people. You cast stones, solely blaming the career staff like they are the complete enemy, you better look in the mirror before you run your mouth.
What time will I see you at Nick's?
Oh and by the way, I happen to like the fire chief there smacked ass!
That explains alot.
I believe that almost all of the career Fire and Police departments have unions, no matter how big or how small especially in cities such as Coatesville. These are some of the largest unions in the United States of America. And for one reason, safety. And I don't think anyone can argue with that. Your city (in case you have forgot) was brought up by all of the laborers in the Steel workers union of Lukens/ISG Plate/MITTAL steel. Wich has major safety issues/representation issues of their own! Lets face it, the matter here is not about "UNION" or CAREER VS. VOLUNTEER but about safety, not only for the city of Coatesville's residents (shiver), but for the safety of EVERY firefighter in Coatesville. It is true, that the "career firefighters" respond to alarms/calls by themselves on firetrucks right? I didn't even know you could back one of those things up safetly by yourself. Please Do the right thing. Quit pinching pennies and bitching that the career guys might get another driver/firefighter/or chief to help mitigate the rising number of emergency situations within, and around the city! PROMOTE IT!
To 4:46 You talk about safety issues at a fire. I suggest you do your homework. I know that the fire chief has taken steps to bring additional fire fighters to a "working fire". Once this was done, the union cried foul and filed a grievance. Go figure!!
To Mr. 6:52,
Once again you are putting your own "twist" on things. I know that the union has never cried "foul" as you say for the additional staffing. What they did cry foul was that Kevin was trying to staff the city fire stations with unqualified, uncertified, unreliable individuals, and THAT'S A PROBLEM skippy!
Secondly, it's not "CAREER vs. VOLUNTEER" as you so rosily like to paint that picture to gather support from people who aren't educated on the matter. How do I know? I'm a volunteer who happens to get along quite well with the career guys.
For those who don't know, if it was brought down to a basic sense, it would be classified as "A few certain volunteer officers, administrators and troublemakers VS. everybody else who challenges their playground". Ype, that's right - the career union and most of us volunteers wanna get along and do for the most part, but its folks like you and your supporters (since you like to throw names around lets do that - Gilly, Paulukinas, Randy Scott "the one-man wonder" or should I say "Extreme risk", Pacana, Berkley, Johnson, Pilotti, Houck, and your supporters and puppets)who keep feeding the fire, lying to council and the city administration to get your way and keep your so-called playground open for business!!!
DO the citizens and the firefighters in Coatesville who are there for the right reasons a favor:
1. Quit the fire service - it isn't for you with your safety issues
OR AT LEAST
2. Go somewhere WAY FAR AWAY to play in a different sandbox where you won;t risk life & limb to the residents of Chester County.
Not enuff time to go on with the rest of their antics - too much inof and not enough hand strength to type it. LOOK AT THIS CLOSELY PUBLIC, you'll see who's really here for you and see those who are in it for themselves.
Well at last the players have been named. Same names as have been involved for twenty + - years. Dating back to their fathers. Thank you for bring this out into the open.
I trust more of you attend the election meetings and cast your votes for QUALIFIED LEADERS. It's your responsibility and duty to elect the leaders that will generate a working relationship between the volunteer and career.
Some players mentioned in the above article are still holding a grudge the Brandy's station was closed (over 10 years ago) by city council.
Now the latest about the lawsuit, how much did it cost us taxpayers chief?
Another question, please post how does one join this club? I have never seen any posting about a phone number or hours one could come in and discuss the opportunities of providing a service to their community.
Its almost as if you can only join by knowing the right person, sort of like another organization that meets at night and brings articles of material from their bedroom.
Thought volunteers were in dire need of joining.
If any city council members read this and desire to see a change here is your invitation to due your elected duty. ITS NOT WORKING under the guidance in place so, change the leadership, don't worry about loosing the support of the volunteers (not many that can vote are left in the city) and take an aggressive stance that you want to see a change in a positive manner.
There is your challenge for today.
Dear, June 20, 2008 2:33 PM
I loved your comment about the retard parking out front of Nick's News. Actually I drove past there today but I did not see Mr. Lentz parked there. Hmm.. however I did see a PROFESSIONAL CAREER FIRE FIGHTER position the ladder truck in a homeowner's FRONT YARD. Now, I don't know about you, but that seems preeeeeetttttyyyy darn retarded to me.
PS. When you stop by Nick's, you have to let me know.
jr43,
10,000 comedians out of work and you want to be one. What qualifications and expierience do you have to decide where an aerial ladder should be positioned AND what expierience do you have to back it up? Another Small Penis lover without a clue......You tell me where the Firefighter driving the aerial ladder was supposed to position the aerial ladder, so that the aerial ladder could be used? I mean you obviously have a vast amount of knowledge so please let me know so that I might be able to learn something from you.
See you at Nick's, jerk off
At this rate you all have my vote to be the next fire chief of the CFD; you all seem to have all of the answers to the CFD problems.
The CFD will never be an all career department, so you career guys need to get over it, and the volunteers need to get over the fact that it will never be an all volunteer department either.
The position of the ladder truck at the fire on 13th Ave was GREAT, to the individual that has a problem with the ladder being in the front yard, you’re a NETWIT. I guess that you don’t get out of Coatesville much, I suggest that you go and visit other fire departments in the country and see how they operate, or just quit being a fire fighter because you are clueless.
To the volunteer that happened to mention names, you are also a NITWIT. I see you problem with K.Gill and small penis, and Mr. Houck those 3 in no way should be on a fire ground. Mr. Pacana, Mr. Burkley and Mr., Scott have more years and experience in the fire service than you are old. Mr. Pacana spent 13 years of his professional career on the BUSSIEST engine company in the country, to me that says a lot about him and his fire fighting abilities, he also used to work for the CFD before he got his job in DC he knows what it is like to leave the fire house by himself and also knows that the job the career guys have in Coatesville is an easy one, I would be willing to bet that 2 of the 3 full time career guys would not make a pimple on a real career fire fighters ass. He (Pacana) dose not dislike to career staff, but when they make a mistake he will let them know about it, remember he did the job and had no problem laying a supply line when it was just himself on the engine. I would suggest to you that maybe you sit down with him sometime and talk with him you will be surprised at what he has to say. Mr. Scott on the other hand is cocky and he also can back up his cockiness.
Chief Johnson I feel did the best he could with the cards that he had to play, would he have been my 1st choice no. When the whole lay-off thing came about and the station was covered by volunteers I recall 2 part timers that called off intentionally when they were schedule to work, one of them even went as far as calling the volunteers a scab by making harassing phone calls to the station, a volunteer is not a scab they don’t get paid to do the job and the volunteers have been in this department for hundreds of years. There was also a part timer that was chased away by the full timers because he got along with the volunteers, you all do the math. Also when certain career staff are on the clock you will not see a single volunteer in the stations because of their demeanor and how they treat the volunteers, and you sit there and tell me that they are not trying to chase away the volunteers, 2 of them are. They wont chase me away because I can see throught the BS.
With the Chief resigning this is the time to put differences aside and start the process on finding a new chief, and the career and vollys have a chance on finding someone who is right for this department, if CC takes input from both sides, but with the history of the CC who knows.
If positioning a ladder in the front yard is good as you make it sound, then why don't I see it happening more often with other departments?.. Oh yeah thats right because it isn't a good thing to do.
Aren't you a little old for name calling?
Jr43,
It happens it Lancaster County, Chester County, Montgomery, Delaware, PG, DC, FDNY, etc. Just because YOU haven't seen it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. You may not see it often in urban areas because there generally aren't front yards that impeed the operation of an aerial ladder. An aerial ladder is the only piece of apparatus that is required to be placed within its work area. You can stretch all the hose in the world but you can't stretch ladders. As far as the placement of the aerial ladder @ 13th Ave. and Meadowlake Apartments, a great call was made to get the aerial ladder in place, without causing damage to the apparatus and to still be able to use it.
Jr43,
Here, look at this it's a ladder in the yard.....
http://www.kentland33.com/fullstory.php?33181
and
http://www.bhvfd14.org/news/f080614/pages/4.htm
and
http://www.laurelvfd.org/images/49box111305_fp2_big.jpg
and
http://www.greenridge63.com/gallery.php#
and
http://www.kimbertonfire.org/inc_06/DSC03412.JPG
and
http://www.tvfd69.com/index.cfm?fs=news.newsView&News_ID=99
and
http://www.thorndalefirecompany.com/index.cfm?fs=news.newsView&News_ID=204
and, my favorite.....
http://www.thorndalefirecompany.com/index.cfm?fs=news.newsView&News_ID=197
good one 4:05 lets not forget this one either
http://www.cpvfd.org/archives_2006.php
I like that one! :) The fact of the matter here is the people who you are dealing with. A buncha half tards who don't know shit. You can be right until your blue in the face! The Firefighter who parked that rig in front of the house in Coatesville, Kudos to him! The problem is that these people will do anything to bash the "career guys" right/or wrong.(who were right this time) They are never in a position of fast paced critical decision making like you are, and even more they have days weeks or months to question your decisions. I don't think 3/4 of them (wich makes 9 roughly) would know how to start that ladder truck! They arent worth the time. We all know they just want to see you all go, and why? Certainly not for the citizens of Coatesville, but for themselves. For "control" of the fire department, JEALOUSY, and SPITE! I say face it to all of the career bashers on here, the career firefighters are here to stay, and thank God! All you blood sucking ticks have proven on here is what you know, wich aint much! But you do make up some good stories!
I am glad you wasted your time looking up pictures and references to prove me wrong. Bravo. Hope you did not do that on the clock. Now, granted there are such things as power lines that would hinder the operation of the ladder, when you have 100' of ladder to use. I think that it could be placed on the street.
If you are so all knowing then why do you still keep yourself anonymous. If I was as smart as you I would use something other than anonymous.
Now, I travel through the West End of Coatesville a lot. What bothers me is when I pass the station and I see a truck missing. What would occur if the worst case scenario happens. Say there is a fire in the West End and somebody is trapped. The truck that is supposed to be there is in the East End. What happens if a train is passing through. Who do they rely on? Neighboring departments that are how many precious minutes away?
Just something to think about.
6:33, if you knew ANYTHING about the Coatesville Fire Department, which you make yourself sound like you do. You would know that the only firefighters trained on the "new ladder" would NOT train the volunteers. Only ONE volunteer was able to be trained. Now, please explain to me that isn't a prime example of jealousy.
Jr 43,
If you knew anything about firefighting in general, you would know that the 100' aerial ladder is rated to have 100' of vertical reach. Any aerial ladder is rated from the ground to the tip of the aerial ladder, hence 100'. The horizontal reach does not equal 100'! I did this on the clock, so you can take back your $1.35 for the 10 minutes it took me to post all of the links.
I don't disagree with you about the Engine being across town for lengthy periods of time but before you assume why it is out, let's check some facts. Maybe it's out on a fire inspection, maybe it's out for maintenance @ Station 41, maybe it's out for lunch or dinner. Regardless of why it is out, as long as the CFD Standard Operating Procedures are followed, you know calling the Chief of the Department and asking him, what's your problem. If you're so concerned about why one engine is out of station, why not go and get the second one? You can play "what if" games all you want.
Regarding the ladder truck training, I have no idea and nor do I pretend to know why, maybe it has something to do with the union's contract with the city. But, get this....There's another one sitting in the city also! That one doesn't get out, except when the Deputy Chief needs to trim his trees. You have boldly stated opinions about what the ladder truck can and can't do, yet I'd bet my paycheck that you aren't trained on it, never operated one, and quite obviously know nothing about it. Instead of spouting off opinions, ask!
The fact of the matter is this, put all of this career vs. volunteer bullshit aside, it's 3 of the volunteer's vs. 2 of the career staff.
OK, I am not a firefighter, I have read all these comments and am trying to understand what scenario would be best.(in the FF opinion):
1. all volunteers and no paid staff?
2. all paid staff and no volunteers?
3.volunteers and paid staff with the volunteers having control of the FH?
4. volunteers and paid staff with the paid staff having control of the FH?
are there any other possible scenarios?
I am just asking, not trying to be a wise guy.
will check back later for the replies. have a good day!
please
Jr.'s arent given the time of day in a firehouse, you shouldn't even be able to post on here! "Jr.43" hahaha what a joke, and an embarassment to the fire company. Anyways quit trying to stir more crap about a firetruck! Get a life, and leave the paid guys alone, if they are doing something wrong the city, or the "chief" will take care of it! and 3:52 a.m. come on already!
You were all Jr's once.. just remember that.
i think lentz is a jerk off.
Some people need to grow up and quit bashing everyone else, like you are perfect. Some of you are only out for yourselves and do not care about the fire dept. Get A LIFE. I love how people open there mouths to complain about things that happen on the fire scene and they can't even show up for the calls. You know who you are and you need to quit. Next time think before you speak. There are people who do thier jobs and some who don't. The department can not move forward with some of the a-holes.
Always remember in the end you joined the department to serve and protect, not to run your mouth. STOP ACTING LIKE KIDS.
THE FIRE CHIEF STINKS. sTOP BEING JEALOUS OF THE PAID GUYS. tHAT COULD HAVE BEEN YOU, BUTS ITIS NOT. LEAVE THEM ALONE.
Nicks news sucks.
so why would you want to get rid of the volunteers? Oh yeah cuz you have LENTZ dick up your ass. And weaver hes just as bad. They all gotta go.
You guys still have not answered my question. which scenario will work the best? (I posted the scenarios above).
Aww looks like somebody has a little temper. If you put that much effort into your job maybe you would get somewhere with your life rather than use energy to ruin others lives.
Its no use to say grow up because you obviously are. Your simply a horrible person. Oh, and were proud to be volunteers. I hope that one day this all stops for the good of the citizens of the city. I'm sure they would love to know what is really going on. Nicks rules!
how many fire calls does the city run and how many are working fires
well said 7:52
Q. how many fire calls does the city run and how many are working fires
June 30, 2008 1:51 PM
A. I would say on average 5 calls per day (including ambulance assist calls). Probably two or three working fires per month.
Nick's news doesn't suck, there is nothing wrong with the store, but the fat owner.......
all the paid need to go. they are all worthless. they are using all the cities money. wake up people.
What is wrong with the apid guys? Nothing they are just doing there job. Maybe some people need to find a job and stop bashing the firefighters who actually do something. The owner of nicks news is one who causes a lot of problems, but I think he forget what his turn out gear looks like.
The fire chief is a loser.
well if there are 5 calls a day and 3 working fires a month then we know how many calls most of the other glory boy volunteers are making a month. How many? Let me see, 3.
6:50,
Great point! They are using all of the city's money......I bet you were the valedictorian of your class weren't ya? Since you stated, a very intelligent and researched statement I might add, that the career firefighters are sucking up all the money, I'll ask who's going to staff the apparatus? Are you going to get out of bed at 03:00 for the Fire Alarm or the EMS Assist? I highly doubt it! Keep posting though, your posts are definately entertaining to say the least!
Some people do get out of bed at 3am to go on calls,no matter what type of call. So what do you have to say for yourself? You don't come out for any calls. Some people need keep thier f@cking mounths shut and woory about themselves. Some people are truley dedicated and others not. They should drop out and the department some good.
7:42,
Who do you think is driving the Engine/Ladder? Like the rest of the jerk off's on here, you're a load that should have been swallowed. See you at the next 03:00 EMS Run.....
Why does the engine and/ or the ladder have to run on EMS calls anyway? Aren't there enough people on the ambulance to handle the calls? Isn't this using up fuel and putting wear and tear on the trucks?
Why are their two ladder trucks that both say ladder 43 on them?
And why does one of the Ladder 43's say West End Fire Company on the side but it sits in the station at the Washington Hose Company?
I read a post about one of the Ladder Trucks at the Deputy Fire Chief's residence trimming his trees. As much as he gets paid for his position, I am sure that he can afford to hire a tree trimming firm to do this! Next thing you know, they will be wasting fuel bringing kids to the PROM!
7:25,
The fire department responds to EMS calls to serve the citizens in the city. They respond automatically on 2nd ALS calls in the city, except when there is a 2nd Ambulance staffed. If the second Ambulance, in the city, is not staffed then mutual aid is dispatched, some of the mutual aod EMS agencies tend to be either busy or have an extended response times.
The second ladder truck does not say West End Fire Company on it, it says Coatesville Buerau of Fire, Ladder 43, American LaFrance, etc. No where on it does it say West End Fire Company. The older ladder truck was housed at the Brandies, until they disolved then it was moved. It was moved to the Washies because of mechanical problems with the newer aerial ladder.
I can't comment on the Deputy Fire Chief trimming his trees with it.
As far as taking kids, that are most likely members of the department, to the prom. Are you really going to lose sleep over it? Do you really care other then to stir the pot? I highly doubt it but in case you do, drill nights are on Wednesday nights @ 7PM. Come on out and get educated about what the dedicated members (career and volunteer) are doing for your community instead of typing your factless opinion on here.
What year did the paid drivers stop being paid by the Fire Companies and Start Being paid by the City?
What year did the paid f/f unionize?
There is enough fighting in this City without all you fire fighters
and EMS fighting all the time.
Its time for the City to get rid of all yous and fine different people that want to save people lives and fight fires without all this bickering
I agree with last poster!
Not everyone in the department fights with each other. There are some who open thier mouths, but don't run the calls. They are the ones who should leave.
Who cares if the trucks are running medical calls. Would you rather no one show up? They are doing their job.
Some people need to get real and you are right all the nit-picking needs to stop. There are more important things to focus on.
I still think the fire chief needs to go, he is worthless. It is time for a change.
I think it is good for the fire trucks to be running on medical calls. Think about it this way.
There is already an ambulance call with the medics, A second call comes in for the ambulance and medics, they are tied up with the first call. Your loved one is lying there in pain or respitory distress and you have have to wait 10 min. for someone to show up and that fells like an eterinty to the person who is waiting. Here comes along the fire truck WITH someone on it and that gives some peace of mind that you are going to be taken care of. Some cities and counties run engines with strechers on them and transport to the hospital themselves. Also there are ambulances out there that carry 300 gallons of water and a pumper and help with fire or car fire. So next time you have a problem with the fire trucks running medical calls , just think that could be you or your loved one lying there waiting. Most places run fire trucks with there ambulance calls. This is a good thing for the citizens of this city.
And 2 pieces of apparatus run on these "medical locals" because there is only 1 person staffing each piece. That is the only GUARANTEED manpower you have on any dispatch. If a call comes out while they are both on the scene of one of these calls one piece/driver can respond to the next call. Aything else???
I think the city started paying the firefighters in 1989. I also think the union started in 1997 or 98.
I have a question for the volleys. I heard the volleys won't buy a fire truck because they don't want the paid firefighters to drive it is this true.
I think the union has been around longer than that. One reason they formed was based on the fact they were required to ticket abandoned cars for the city. Not a FD job but a codes dept issue.
The city took over paying the city salary in order to save 50-75 thousand dollars the city was giving to the vollies to pay the drivers as they were called back then, and in turn the drivers were receiving considerably less in their paycheck. The city saved money when they took over paying the drivers.
Problems that date back several decades in the vollies house and not just recently as some would like to have you believe.
Post a Comment
<< Home